Sometimes the White Girl (Or Guy) Isn’t About You (Unconventional Wisdom)

If this picture makes you mad, maybe you should ask yourself a few things. Like, why on earth do you care?

A long crusty time ago in a high school far, far away there was an “epic” schoolyard fight over a boy, a black boy, who was dating a white girl who road my bus. The exact reasons for the fisticuffs have been lost somewhat to history, but I vaguely recall that two black girls decided to take it upon themselves to “jump” the girl from my bus in the stairwell just before school let out.

Perhaps one of the girls used to date the black boy. Perhaps some words had been spoken. But the fight was clearly over the boy and the gall of this particular white girl to date him. So they did confront her in the stairwell and shockingly, the white girl in question actually won the two-on-one fight.

I can still remember her elated face on the bus that afternoon as she talked about the fight in the most hyper voice possible, adrenaline still pumping. Her boyfriend was strangely proud and I was befuddled.

Mostly because I have always thought fighting over a boy, any boy, was dumb, even at 15. It hardly seemed worth it. And while, back then, I thought I understood why a couple of black girls would think it was a “beatdownable” offense for a white girl to date a black guy at our school, I knew the girl on the bus personally and she was a nice person.

I went years not thinking about the incident (which is why my memory of it is so crusty), but one day — and I can’t remember when — I got tired of caring about interracial dating.

More after the jump.

I got tired of ill placed anger at strangers I didn’t know. I got tired of looking at every interracial couple then immediately thinking of my “widdle” feelings. What the hell did these people have to do with me? It wasn’t like they’d met, started dating and married just to personally ruin my day. The insecurity and anger was illogical. Especially considering most of the time I didn’t actually want any of the men who had the white girlfriend or wife. I didn’t even know them. It seemed like a waste of time because …

It wasn’t about me.

I know plenty of black women (and black men to a lesser extent) who were amazingly militant about the whole black-white pairings and are prone to fly into some form of bitterness or rage as if every black-white coupling was a personal affront to their own self-worth. (See anything related to Tiger Woods) Every couple became a moment of doubt to question themselves, then turn and question the couple. It was usually assumed the individual had “sold out” in some fashion or hated black people or themselves or both and were an awful person and that the white person, by association, was some smug interloper sent to make our lives miserable by stealing all the “good” black men from “us.” That the interloper thought they were better than us and special because they had been chosen by this wayward Negro and so the self-hate train would ride into town.

Of course, there was never anyway to verify that these were the cases. They were mere assumptions based on what we’d heard or read or inferred or hoped was true. Because its easier to say “He must hate all women like me” than say “I sometimes lack confidence because I have issues with how I look and feel.” No one wants to openly admit to all those doubts of maybe if I was more (fill in the blank) I would be better accepted, more desirable. Hate spiral is MUCH easier and powerful. You can feel pretty energized after going on a good rant about “no good, self-hating Negroes” and referring to all white women who date black men as “snowflake.”

Black people, despite our best efforts, tend to have some self-esteem issues. For some it’s worse than others depending on what they had to personally endure. But it doesn’t matter how light or dark you are, we all have to deal with some form of dreaded “Negro Derangement Syndrome” beset by growing up as a minority in a majority culture.

Part of that derangement is being routinely told via media and other black people that you are not good enough. Not light enough. Not pretty enough. Don’t have Western features. Aren’t the ideal beauty. With women, this is particularly devastating. Add to that fact that black women tend to be the most dogged about dating and marrying within their race, but are also the least likely to get married, the level of sexual jealousy is extremely high. Often to the point of being unbearable.

It was like everyone I knew was Angela Bassett and this was “Waiting to Exhale” and “Git yo’ shit” was the rallying cry. Everyone had a story of a slight, perceived or real, of abandonment by black men for white women. The most dramatic one I can recall was an old friend from my youth who was madly in love with a biracial man who identified himself as black, got her pregnant, but didn’t want a child so she wound up having an abortion. They would later break up and he would later end up getting a white woman we both knew pregnant. She had the child and he sold his most prized possession, his expensive SUV, to buy a smaller car and his new girlfriend a car of her own.

My friend pretty much died inside, because as insulting as it was for him to have moved on from their relationship so quickly, he’d done it with a dreaded white girl. It made her put in doubt everything about their past relationship and her friends and enemies alike, latched on the white girl part rather than the “Your ex-boyfriend really sounds like an ass” part. Not that she helped it. For some sick reason she still wanted this man. Even though he’d proven to be not dependable and shallow. It was easy to focus on the white girl, who she didn’t know very well and was not within our circle of friends, but it was her ex-boyfriend who’d hurt her. And because he was so shallow he was more than likely to move on and hurt his white girlfriend too (which he eventually did). The man she was crying and fighting over was HARDLY a prize, yet I saw how it destroyed her self-esteem.

I tried to tell her that sometimes, it isn’t about you. That his choices were about him and what he wanted. Her boyfriend treated her badly the whole time they were together. Why would she even want or care what he does? Let the white woman deal with his drama. I found it unlikely that the same guy who wanted one girl to get an abortion was going to be Mr. Liberated and Sensitive Man with the white girl. And he was just as much of a troglodyte with his new girlfriend as he was with the old. She just kept her baby.

She still got stuck with him. Horrible, no good him.

Yet the angst remained.

As an adult I knew black people who struggled with trusting blacks who’d married outside of their race, even if they were still very involved with the community. I befriended a pair of siblings who had both married white people, but were involved in mentoring black students. They loved their spouses and families, but talked about their own problems, like dealing with a daughter who was more drawn to identify with her white mother’s side than her black father’s because of the racism she’d experienced as a child. This bothered her father who wanted his daughter to be proud of being both white and black. They weren’t self-loathing, self-hating black people. They were just black people who happened to have married white people. And they hadn’t actively sought out to marry only white people. They just married people they could relate to. It didn’t make any sense to despise or be judgmental of these couples who became my friends.

Because, again, it wasn’t about me.

I’m not one who talks about interracial dating as the panacea to all the woes of single black women. I think it’s weird when some folks go the full 180 and almost reduce it to a fetish, preaching to the gospel of “date a white man” with the same vigor as those who act like black women are embroiled in some dating war over black men. But then I’m not someone who feels the need to prove how down I am either by saying things like I’m so down that I don’t even find lighter black people with Western features attractive. (A statement I will never quite get. I mean, you’re so not attracted to white people you reject light skinned black people too? Is that based on pre-rejection because you think the light skinned people will reject you for being darker, and if so, isn’t this another “it’s not about you” scenario?)

Taking it personal doesn’t help anyone. If someone dates someone outside of their race it was because they wanted to and not because something is inherently wrong with you (or them for that matter). Even if the person doing the dating outside of their race is of the type who bad mouths other black people, that still has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. That’s all about them and their own self-loathing.

If I could go back in time and talk to those two girls before they decided to jump the white girl in the stairwell, I would ask them why? Why would you fight over a boy who doesn’t want you and why would you attack the girl when, again, it was the boy who chose her? Why would you risk getting kicked out of school just to stop the inevitable? Some black guys are going to date white girls. Attempting to beat up the white girls will not turn that tide. That boy didn’t belong to you just because you shared the same pigmentation. He wasn’t promised to you.

It’s just not worth it.

People would be better served in building their own self-confidence rather than trying to control the uncontrollable. You’d be better off learning to love yourself than becoming mired in bitterness and hate over that thing that’s not really about you. We all want to be loved and desired, but you’re not going to get it if your too worried about what Becky and ’em are doing with that black guy over there.

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143 responses to “Sometimes the White Girl (Or Guy) Isn’t About You (Unconventional Wisdom)”

  1. Adeshola Blue Avatar
    Adeshola Blue

    Interesting post. I like the whole take responsibility for yourself part, but I think on a subcounscious level I understand why some black women would be offended. If the "white" woman is the world’s ideal of beauty, and if that is the case, why does she have to have her pick of all the men in the spectrum? Why can’t she leave some men for the rest of us. Why she gotta hog the black dudes too? Rhetorical question of course.

  2. I can see both sides of this. On one hand, if they seem happy, yay. But on the other hand, there’s nothing I hate more than black men saying "I don’t date black women because…[insert bullshit here]’ Thanks for being assholes dudes.

  3. OMG are we the same person? I just wrote a post about interracial relationships and how I should be less freaking judgmental. So strange, my friend.

  4. Black women will be threatened by black men dating white women UNTIL we realize that we too have options outside the race and begin to pursue them– and allow ourselves to be pursued.

  5. Listen, I’ve got an even weirder take on it as a white girl who’s a brunette :)))

  6. I’ll be happy to address that, Adeshola. Rhetorically, of course.It could be argued that The White Woman isn’t hogging or taking anything, since she cannot technically "make" The Black Man date her. The Black Man who would find himself in a relationship with The White Girl is probably a man that would’ve dated her anyway, regardless of how The Black Woman feels about it. I think once that reality (or possibility) is accepted, this entire thing would be a lot easier to swallow.Ultimately, this deep-seated resentment towards people that date outside of their race is archaic and petty. There is no guarantee that a brother who isn’t dating a white woman will date a black woman, or any specific black woman (i.e. yourself). Just like when men date other men, or women date other women. No one is taking anything from anyone. We cannot be possessive about individuals we never had in the first place, especially once we age past twelve. People are going to do what they’re gonna do.

  7. Adeshola Blue Avatar
    Adeshola Blue

    Nova, I hear ya, I was just throwing the psychosis out there. It has been my experience that the majority of the guys that dat white woman aren’t the kind of guy I would date anyway. For me it is a moot point because I married the man I wanted to be with…. And he is black.

  8. Well said nOva, my feelings on this topic are all over the board. For a time I did have that tinge of jealously upon seeing a black man with a white woman–despite the fact that two of my uncles (one on each side) are married to white women whom I love, along with the 9 cousins produced from those unions. Before I was married (to a black man) I was an equal opportunity dater, Bi-racial, Hispanic, White, Samoan, I didn’t have any restrictions on who I might be attracted to/felt a connection with which is why I had to get over that sense of possession when it came to black men. I had to admit as many others should, they are free to be attracted to and connect with whomever they like as well. As the Snob said, it just ain’t about me.I will be honest though and admit for some archaic reason I still feel some small victory has been won when I see a "reverse" mixed race couple–a white man with a black woman. Hypocrisy abounds.Oh and the only piece of dating advice I give my younger sister is n*ggas come in all colors.

  9. politicallyincorrect Avatar
    politicallyincorrect

    BM will continue to get the sideye for IR until they stop saying, I date _ because BW are mean, fat, bad attitutude, gold diggers (a lot of men don’t have gold to dig anyway really). They have been the ones silly enough to publicly put down women in their own ethnic group.And when are BM gonna start getting their WW to starting fight police bruatality and other causes that BW are help fighting on their behalf? Is it b/c they are too busy fighting for their kids multi-racial movement so they can benefit from white supremacy on behalf of their mother.

  10. Karyn, I hope you’re the Karyn Langhorne of Unfinished Business and A Personal Matter fame. If you are, I freaking love your books. If not, well, I still love those books! AND I agree with your post 100%. I addressed this issue on my own blog. Black men don’t belong to us, therefore we have no right to expect anything of them. Nothing to see here. Keep it moving. Next.

  11. dukedraven Avatar
    dukedraven

    The way I see it we’re all pretty much damaged goods. White people have their prejudices. Black people are color conscious, acknowledged or not. Did you see the Tyler Perry movie trailer featuring a dark-skinned black girl madly in love with a light skin guy sporting "good hair?" Some people like me enjoy contrasts, such as very dark skin and pale white skin. Whatever floats your boat is fine with me. It’s useless to have jealousy. Everyone is going to have problems, whether you marry outside your race or stay inside. The most important thing will have to learn is to stop believing in fairy tales, Hollywood stories and photo ops. They only show part of the illusion.

  12. Monica Avatar

    I know I shouldn’t resent black men dating white women. I know I shouldn’t judge those who find love in the arms of women of others races but I do.Maybe I’m irrational but there are times, it things just seem unfair. As a black woman, you can go the school, pursue an advanced degree, get a "good job", keep your nose clean, have your act together and still be relegated to ice cream sundaes alone on a Saturday night with nightcaps with your B.O.B. It’s unfair for highly educated black women to be expected to date men who aren’t interested in life-long education. Yeah, yeah, I know there are bus drivers and what not interested in self-improvement but I promise you that for each one who is, there are 20 more who are not. Why are we expected to date them?Yes, I know I can date men of other races, but damnit, I love my culture and I want to pass on my family’s cultural traditions to my children. I’ve been fortunate enough to work with people from different culture. It very upsetting for me to hear people who are half Asian disparage people and the culture of China or Korea. I cringe when I hear biracial people play racial hop-scotch.I’m just saying.

  13. dilettante Avatar
    dilettante

    I agree its not about you as an individual, and a the majority of the times it’s not about you, as a member of "the black race". However I have to say there have been instances, in the US and elsewhere, when I’ve observed or somehow been in a situation with another black person (male or female) when it was clear to me the other black person felt I’d spoiled their specialness by disproving they were the only black person who would inhabit such a place/activity etc. I never ask anyone to be black for me. I’m also very careful about applying the US centric, passe ?, one drop rule to any person- even when their afro antecedents are very much apparent.We’ve all seen the video’s of the little [black] kids who consistently choose the white doll as the smart,attractive,nice doll. vs the black doll. cf A Girl like Me @4:45 That’s heartbreaking. No one, regardless of their views on IR dating, etc would deny that it reveals a very problematic self regard in the child and the home environment. That is about that child, fast forward to when said child is dating etc and the same preference is made-repeatedly-> its still about that individual, and– the same lack of self regard.

  14. Why does everyone seem to think that there is something inherently wrong with every white woman or the black man that decided to date her?It’s really nobody’s business but there’s. As a black woman in a relationship with a white man I don’t feel that I have to explain myself to anyone. Our relationship is between the two of us and no one else. And no, I don’t have anything against black men. in fact, I pretty hesitant about going out with him because he’s white. Not everyone has some personal agenda to specifically seek out a white woman or man or anyone other group outside their own. Sometimes it just happens that way. You meet someone and realize that you all are good together. I just wish everyone would stop trying to draw their own conclusions about someone else’s personal life.

  15. I LOVE Hiedi and Seal. One of my favurite hollywood couples. I love the fact that their relationship seems so genuine and they make LOTS of babies lol. I cant stand tiger, so I’m not gonna comment on him, although i’m sure no one expected him to end up with a black woman lol. I really dont care who other ppl happen to fall in love with, it comes in all packages. My first boyfriend was white, and i’ve dated pp of all ethnicities. What i cant stand however is when certain black men ,and I’ve seen it happen act like being with ANY non black woman is some sort of acomplishment, regardless of status, education etc. Even then it’s not so much anger as it is ‘girl you can KEEP his colour struck ass cuz i DO NOT WANT! :(Good post Danielle

  16. Wow, a lot of great point made both in the post and in the comments.Growing up I was taught to never bring a non-Black man home, and that definitely shaped my view on dating and who I dated when I became an adult. Because my father saw IR dating/marriage as such a negative, when I was younger I saw it in the same way. It took some growth and some exposure to diferent folks for me to get out of that mindset.As some of the other posters have noted, my biggest problem is not with IR dating itself, but with the motivations of the BM who do it. I have no problem with love, its a beautiful thing and if 2 folks fall in love & happen to be of different races, so be it. But there seems to be a lot of BM who have a lot of anger towards BW, and they use that as their excuse to date outside their race. BW aren’t all fat, ugly, have attitudes, emasculating, etc. The level of self-hate and hate for their own people boggles my mind.I had never considered IR dating until I finished school, got my good job, and promptly discovered that all the men on my "level" weren’t checking for me, and neither are the blue-collar men cause I make too much $. I played by the rules (went to school, got a job, etc) but at the end of the game it was a big "gotcha!". So I’ve had to open up my dating pool out of necessity and I’ve found that I’ve met some really nice guys that I wouldn’t have given the time of day to otherwise.

  17. As one of the white women how as married a black man, thank you Danielle and commenters for shining a little more light on some of the glances I get when with my husband sometimes.I’ve known what you describe, but the eloquence made it real for me.Peace.

  18. Wenzel Dashington Avatar
    Wenzel Dashington

    As a bitter nerd who went on to great success, I can tell you that sisters were not checking for Tiger and Seal before fame. Just saying…

  19. Indeed, if said person (male or female) is not with you, then she/he doesn’t belong to you. That being the case, said white person can not possibly be stealing her/him from you (singular and plural). I understand that twinge of rejection, that one gets in seeing someone of your "race" with someone of another "race", but we have to get beyond that twinge and move on.

  20. NAGROM Avatar

    I agree with most of the comments. I agree with politicallycorrect about black men or women downing each other when they are in a interracial relationship. I don’t understand why if you are so happy with the white girl/guy you are with you have to still keep complaining about your racial counterpart and all of their flaws. it all has to do with rejection, nobody wants to feel rejected. I understand that some men and women will pursue what they lik, it is just some sort offeeling of rejection that some black men/women have seeing their racial counterpart with a spouse of another race. I also believe that black women do need to widen their horizons and stop proclaiming thhat they’d never fate a white man because of slavery or this or that, I sure don’t here this same argument from the majority of black men, although I do know a black man who has repeatedly sad they wouldn’t date a white girl for this reason or the other. I think that we have bigger issues as a race, we can’t tackle them divided, we shouldn’t degrade each other or make our racial counterparts look evil though. i used to be that black girl who took my own low self-esteem out on black men and I even stooped to the point of perpetrating the stereotypes about them( not in the company of whites though, I wouldn’t go that far), I have realized that it made me feel no better about myself and even worse. I don’t need to be validated by a black man or a white man, i am who I am. I just think that we as a people shouldn’t feed into the ignorance and the stereotypes that people already have about our race. I had even began to strongly dislike white women, even though some of my best friends were white. It is like I loved my white girlfriends collectively but disliked white women as a whole! I know that sounds so harsh, it really made me feel torn, it made me feel as if I was hiding the true me, but I wasn’t because that was not who I was. I am over it now, I believe that personal experiences also affect the way that feel about interracial couples, I have had a bad experience in high school and I began to hold grudges against black boys. I am now over it. I am a highly likeable young woman and I can humbly say that I have alot of blessings and a wondeful family who has made it easier for me to deal with such personal things.

  21. Well tiger is a billionaire now and i’m still not ‘checking’ for him, he just doesnt do it for me lol. I’m suprised you didnt mention show killer taye diggs who seems to believe that all his career problems come from having a white wife lol. For the record, I dont think he deserves Indina, met her once and she’s really sweet and good for him if all the rumours of infidelity etc are true. Sorry for going of on tangent, Im bored at work today 🙂

  22. politicallyincorrect Avatar
    politicallyincorrect

    @Wenzel, were Heidi and the nanny checking for them before the fame. What supermodel dates a bus driver?I love Heidi by the way, she has a genuine aura about her and I think thats why black folks don’t give Heidi and Seal the side eye

  23. NAGROM Avatar

    Um @ Wenzel Washingon, lets not try to generalize black women shall we? I for one am not interested in thugs, black, white, Latino, or Asian, and I certainly would beinterested in an artsy man like Seal (Im not a fan of Tiger’s personality though). I don’t think that your mentality helps the situation because you are once agin putting all black women in a box. What if I had reversed it and said that most black men wouldn’t have been into First Lady Michelle Obama or ex Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice? We don’t all go for the gangters.

  24. NAGROM Avatar

    Also Danielle, it goes both ways, you failed to mention the hate geared at black women by some white women and black men when they are in interracial relationships. Also jealousy comes in all shades, are we foolish enough to believe that only blacks feel this way about interracial couples? I don’t think so. Look at all of the black men who were killed for being even suspected for approaching a white woman in a romantic manner. Hate and intolerance comes in all shades.

  25. NAGROM Avatar

    I like Heidi too, and Seal is sweet. He doesn’t dump on black women thank God. I hate it when somebody who is in an interracial relationship criticizes the black man or woman.

  26. Chabas Avatar

    White woman living with a mixed (Surinam creole / white) man here, and for me, it’s really not about anyone but myself and my boyfriend. I love him, he loves me, and that’s really all there is to that.That said, I am well aware that there is a right and wrong way to dating interracially. My white father-in-law – who is no longer in the picture – never quite said with so many words that he disapproved of Surinamese culture, but made it abundantly clear – the children were not to learn the language (the "compromise" was that they wouldn’t be taught the local dialect at home either – of course, they learned that on the streets instead, whereas you don’t just happen to pick up Sranan Tongo once you’re outside of Surinam), there was to be no ethnic cooking, etc etc. I make a point of not doing that – I’m learning to make roti and pom from my mother-in-law, and trying to pick up bits and pieces of the language from his grandmother, because I do think it’s important that any children we may have are aware of all aspects of their heritage, not just the ones that they’ll pick up from dominant culture.

  27. NAGROM Avatar

    @ Politicallycorrect thank you. I think that some of these black men believe that black women are the only women who want a well paid man. To me it is the opposite, that is one thing that I’ll never understand about black women, how low our standards seem to be when it comes to dating and marrying. I am not saying to only date a man for his money, but atleast date a man who has goals and is working on being financially stable enough to take care of his his future wife and kids. I mean come on Wenzel!!!! Do you expect black women to be the servant always? We want to live good just like all women!

  28. It’s 2009 and I’m a little disturbed this is still a topic worth discussing. I pray that in 30 years people will have moved on. Date who you want and everyone needs to mind their own damn business.- tired female

  29. i agree with this post to a certain extent. i do tend to mind my own damn business when it comes to other people’s choices. however, while in an elevator with my sister there was a black guy that also came in with two white girls. he proceeds to stroke the white girls hair and says "see this is why i don’t like black girls, cuz yall have fake hair". ok yea so i was unbeweaveable that day but how dare he embarrass two woman who are his ethnicity because he has a preference! i could care less that you prefer women with real hair. i have real hair under my weave dog. i just like options and versatility. it’s shit like that that makes me cringe when i see a white girl with a black man. it makes me wonder what his intentions are. i date men of all nationalities but it has nothing to do with black men. i love it all…. and i would never throw a black man under the bus because my flavor of the week isn’t black.

  30. That guy in the elevator with you was deranged and that has nothing to do with his ethnicity. Crazy comes in all shades – and you should be grateful he is self-selecting his crazy ass out of your dating pool. I think it’s dangerous when you allow one person’s actions to influence how you perceive an entire group.

  31. Wenzel Dashington Avatar
    Wenzel Dashington

    @ NAGROM / Politically IncorrectI never used the word gangsters. That’s taking what I said and running out the box. I happen to think that based on looks and money alone (which is where some women start) sisters were not that into Seal and Tiger in the begining. At least Incorrect is honest enough to say models aren’t with bus drivers. Now let’s look at my boy, Barack Obama. When he met Michelle, he was her subordinate. Granted, he was educated, but he was in debt and did not have it going on. He had a messed up name and wanted to be a community leader ie a broke ass. But, she stuck with him and guess what? He upgraded. The next time you look down ya nose at a bus driver, remember Barack.

  32. @me that’s pretty much why i like everyone until they give me a reason not to. 🙂 you are absolutely right though… thank goodness i will never be on his radar for dating.

  33. NAGROM Avatar

    Like forreal Me, dating somebody because of their hair!!!!! LOL! He needs a reality check. How can some black men do this in the presence of white women? Even when I was going through my temporary and unjustifiable crusade series of rants about black men(via internet0 I could never do it in the company of a white man! Never.

  34. NAGROM Avatar

    Wenzel, The bottome line is that you generalized black women as all being superficial, am I wrong? I would date Seal in a heartbeat if he had ever approached me pre-marriage to Heidi. I just don’t like Tiger’s personality, that’s all. I could care less about looks if the man has a personality that I am in love with.

  35. @nagrom i totally agree. i was so stunned that i didn’t even bother to respond. i would never disrespect ANYONE openly. especially a stranger i just happened to see on an elevator.

  36. NAGROM Avatar

    Lee, girl, i am sorry that that happened to you. it is so sad when black women and girls are subjected to that sort of hate and humility by men who are supposed to empathize with them based on the fact that they both share the same ethnicity, but no, go publically humiliate me in person, and in front of your "oh so perfect" white girl.

  37. IR dating would not be such an issue if a majority of black women weren’t single. I think it says something about our black culture that many bw are single, and a lot of brothas are dating outside of their race. While there are brothas who date IR because they love the woman for who she is, I’ve heard brothas saying they don’t date BW because we’re "difficult," " gold diggers," angry", etc. I remember one time I was home in Oakland and I was talking to a street merchant selling jewelry. He told me, "If I met a nice black woman like you, I wouldn’t have married an Asian woman." All black men don’t think this way about sistas, but I’ve ran into many that do. The good news is that there are brothas who date black women and non-brothas who date black women. Sistas need to stop giving dirty looks to bw/ww couples. You don’t know their story and your mean glances aren’t going to make him date a black woman. It’s time for us to stop being angry, stop being single and widen our options.

  38. Monica Avatar

    Excuse me Wenzel, but broke a** Obama had a degree from Columbia and a law degree from Harvard. Now unless he was an addict or unstable in some other ways, any woman who values academic achievement would have been interested. The fact that he was service oriented and wanted to use his expensive degrees in public service would have been attractive to anyone with those interests.If I found a bus driver or barber or factory worker who used that job to pay bills as he pursued his writing, music or photography or entrepreneurial interests, I would be interested. Often, that’s not the case. You scratch the surface of some guys and you don’t get anything. I’m not interested in anyone who goes home and plays videogames or has a collection 2000 DVDs or 800 channels of cable.

  39. NAGROM Avatar

    Cocoa fly, I agree with you mostly. the thing that bothers me is that it is mainstream media that is also tryin to push that image of black women all being cold and lonely, angry and bitter. Look at how some people tried to portray First Lady Michelle Obama, as an angry black woman. Now what does that woman have to be angry about? She is so seemingly blessed, she has God, a good committed husband, beautiful little girls, stability, an education, and a good upbringing. She has more than some people could even dream of yet she is still supposed to a bitter black woman. Bitter about what?

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    politicallyincorrect

    Wenzel please, who the turns their nose up at Harvard graduates period. Barack was a community activist on his way to persuing a particular career goal. He was not a 30 year old man trying to rap.And I don’t turn my nose up at bus drivers, its a steady job. And at least they are least motivated enought to be sober and persue a license to drive a bus.

  41. Sometimes I can’t casually look in the direction of a black male with a non black woman without them thinking I am "hatin’" on them. Sometimes they need to know not every black woman feels angry about IR relationships.

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    dukedraven

    Wenzel Dashington, let’s keep it real by saying that Barack Obama was a law review editor at Harvard, the first in history. Mrs. O wasn’t taking any huge risks with him. For college educated woman to go out with the bus driver, that’s more risky.

  43. msladee Avatar
    msladee

    Interesting topic, however, I have to disagree with you. I don’t think this is a black woman’s special breed of insanity as it seems to be implied here and in similar discussions (I’ll just use women sense that seems to be more of the focus). When it comes down to it, it’s about sheer numbers and comfort level. People are comfortable with the familiar and when the familiar becomes scarce, hostility and tension builds. A year or so ago, I read an article about American white women and their dating troubles in Asia. They stated that all "their men" were hooking up with Asian women. Why? Because Asian woman are more submissive, very traditional, etc. (Sound familiar?) Why did they take it personal? Where did this sense of entitlement come from? Were they oppressed by a worldwide standard of beauty that diminishes/negates them as women? Or was it merely just a numbers game that went against their favor?I realize this is not the point of your post, but I bring it up because I’ve had this discussion several times before and it usually turns to the black woman’s damage psyche. How can we on the one had say "love yourself" and on the other say "you’re a crazy,insecure, irrational sista with issues… and it may be due to your (shameful) cultural history that you kind of need to get over." Mixed signals much?The perspective of black women uncomfortable with interracial dating is often dismissed as racial jealousy with little more exploration than cultural shame or insecurity, yet, one thing I’ve never heard black men or white women say in these discussion is "if I were in the place of a black woman in the US…." Why is it then that black women who may not yet be comfortable with the idea of interracial dating are asked to see that it’s got nothing to do with them and they are being (selfish/insecure/illogical/irrational/insert favorite derisive adjective)? It’s sounds a little paternalistic. I’m not saying black women with an issue with interracial dating (just wanted to reiterate that it’s not all black women) have a right to fight a white woman or trash talk a black man, but it’s weird to say how someone else should FEEL, especially when the feeling is purely human. I’ve had enough of the strong black woman myth invading my ability to feel, want and desire. We can talk about loving yourself all day long, but until we acknowledge the black women are human beings with a natural range of emotions that includes jealousy and fear and that does not make her any less of a person can we truly address issues of interracial dating. I mean, how can you address a feeling such as jealousy when everyone says you aren’t supposed to have it at all? II also disagree with not taking verbalized self-hatred personally. Society as a whole has suffered from the extreme individualism and disconnect among us, but that’s a whole other topic.

  44. cosmicsistren Avatar
    cosmicsistren

    @ Snob – Love this post, but I always love what you write.Can someone explain to me why the majority of black women are so loyal to the black man when he clearly isn’t the same with us? We are disrespected in music (not just rap) in the street, by radio djs, and some black media. I just don’t get it. I feel love is hard to find anyway so whenever you find it good for you. It’s just that I see more often black men dating outside their race than black women. @Weasel Dashington – I would take a nerd in a heartbeat!! I thought Seal was good looking the moment I first laid eyes on him. You sound like you definitely have issues with women in general. Maybe the women that dissed you just didn’t like you for you. It had nothing to do with your bank account….and please. please stop using that tired analogy of if the guy was a bus driver black women wouldn’t date him. NEWSFLASH!!!! There are bus drivers who are jerks too. Blue collar men aren’t the greastest and I have had plenty of experience with them.

  45. JannyD Avatar

    hey fam,These next two episodes taught me that Black women are not somehow specially crazy for reacting this way to inter-racial couples.I was hanging out with some Asian female friends and white guys (Dont ask what my black ass was doing there)…When a tall distinguished looking black dude came in with a really hot Blonde chick…Let me tell you, the white dudes in the group were PISSED….But it just showed me that at the end of the day, it is about the idea of some ‘prize’ being taken from you. If it had been some gross girl, they probably would not have cared but they cared because it was some hot chick.(further illustrations- Black guys reaction to Halle’s white baby daddy, Garcelle Nillon’s white husband- Black guys hate them because the women are beautiful)I was also commuting with a white female friend when an attractive asian female/white male couple got on the train. Homegurl was giving them the death stare….it only illustrates my point, it only matters, if you would in your wildest fantasies have wanted that person for your own, then you feel like, ‘if they are with someone unlike me then they would never want me’…My question is- what if your worst fear is indeed true?….That all these Negreos do not want a black chick ‘wearing their chain’ (lol I think I am cool)…Do you really want to be with someone who doesn’t want to be with you?It is this question that really liberated me from my irrational hate of inter-racial couples. If they could never want you, then they were never yours to have. I would rather be ignored and alone than viewed as some sad substitute.P.S. I also think that sometimes Black men date inter-racially to annoy white men…Go on some blogs when they have Heidi Klum and Seal up….some of those white dudes react like their heads will explode…P.P.S. One bone I have to pick is this- When you are with your beloved white girl, please dont look at me like you want some reaction or validation, I dont know you, hence I have nothing to offer you. That is what bugs me….like you have done something that you want a reaction from me for…what can I say – ‘From the association of Angry Black Women (ABW)- you are forgiven’- fine assume that is what I would say if I knew you or cared…..

  46. black canadian snob Avatar
    black canadian snob

    And any brotha who aviods black women for the usual stereotypical ‘angry, goldigger’ etc labels etc are SO NOT worth losing sleep over. I agree that we need to broaden our horizons and not be so focused on finding a good black man. To me any man with good qualities and achievements is a good man regardless of colour…

  47. This is a really great post. As I began to see more IR couples of all configurations, I really started thinking about why I got that twinge when it was bm/ww, but got all cheerleadery and supportive when it was a black woman with a non-black man. I had no problem seeing myself dating interracially, but I always felt like my feelings on it were hypocritical and unfair. So I started examining why (no reason to feel stank about something if you can help it). My conclusion was similar to Danielle’s and many of the commenters, that I didn’t have to assume that that black man’s choice had anything to do with me or anyone who looked like me. And even if it did, why should I let someone else’s decision affect my view of myself or a particular type of relationship? Life is too short and too damn hard anyway. Love and happiness are treasures. I figure you should find them where you can, don’t begrudge anyone the same, and don’t worry about everybody else’s motives.

  48. NAGROM Avatar

    MsLadee, I co-sign 100 percent. You are the first person who has touched that black women have feelings that are not unique to just us as women, itmay shock some of you but I can say without a doubt that white women have issues with jealousy just as we do, we don’t have this exclusive disease that no other women have ever felt, but we are in very unique circumstances being that we are the most unwed women in the country and probably the world, and we as a women have been enslaved and suffered the wrath of racism and oppression so mcuh throughout our history in this nation.

  49. black canadian snob Avatar
    black canadian snob

    I wanted to add, that the first time I dated a white guy was i college, he was cool and all, and we had a good time until one day, he just sad " I’ve always had a thing for black girls. That really irked me for some reason and I politely told him I was a person not a thing. Needless to say we didnt go anywhere after that. While I dont want to be objectified by black men or any others, I also dont appreciae been exoticized and commodified but that’s a whole other issue

  50. MissJ82 Avatar
    MissJ82

    Great post! I used to be an "interracial dater hater" probably up until a few years ago…I suppose I just stopped giving a damn and figured that life is too short to be worried about the decisions that others make, because as you emphasized so well, Danielle – IT’S NOT ABOUT ME! At the time, I believed that my feelings were justified, and honestly I still believe that they were. Similar to Danielle’s friend, I was dating a black man who began cheating on me with a white girl…it was so out of left field and definitely unexpected! Everything was going well and he literally worshipped the ground I walked on, but all of a sudden things changed and it happened. For a while, I doubted myself and questioned what I had done wrong or why I wasn’t enough, but eventually I came to the conclusion, like Danielle said, that his choices were about him and what he wanted and not my deficiencies. Nothing was wrong with me, he just wanted to be with her more…hence they are now married with children. At the time I was bitter, and I don’t think I would be overgeneralizing in saying that many other black women in my situation would have felt the same way.The other reasons I took issue with interracial dating was because 1.) I kept hearing black men put down black women while praising women of other races for being more physically attractive (or "exotic" as they put it) and 2.) I got tired of seeing successful black men in the media married to white women. I suppose my issue was and always will be black men who put down black women and/or put other women on pedestals based on ethnicity, Eurocentric standards of beauty, or perceived elevation of status (although I realize that these things also aren’t about me, but their own personal race issues).

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