Open Thread: Are you black, American or African American OR Do Chuckles and Glitter Make Sense?

Today’s starter topic: What do you prefer to call yourself? The Black Snob obviously prefers “black,” otherwise I’d be “The African American Snob.” The Snob feels this way because despite her love and admiration of various African cultures, she knows she is not African in any sense of the word. Other than having some African ancestry, The Snob, like most black Americans, is a little bit of everything.

As John McWhorter once wrote:

Modern America is home now to millions of immigrants who were born in Africa. Their cultures and identities are split between Africa and the United States. They have last names like Onwughalu and Senkofa. They speak languages like Wolof, Twi, Yoruba and Hausa, and speak English with an accent. They were raised on African cuisine, music, dance and dress styles, customs and family dynamics. Their children often speak or at least understand their parents’ native language.

Living descendants of slaves in America neither knew their African ancestors nor even have elder relatives who knew them. Most of us worship in Christian churches. Our cuisine is more southern U.S. than Senegalese. Starting with ragtime and jazz, we gave America intoxicating musical beats based on African conceptions of rhythm, but with melody and harmony based on Western traditions.

Also, we speak English. Black Americans’ home speech is largely based on local dialects of England and Ireland. Africa echoes in the dialect only as a whisper, in certain aspects of sound and melody. A working-class black man in Cincinnati has more in common with a working-class white man in Providence than with a Ghanaian.

I gotta say, The Snob agrees with McWhorter on this one. And the many African kids I went to college with second that. They thought us American blacks were effing nuts. But to be fair, most of the black Americans I knew at my college thought they ate dogs and smelled funny so everyone was being a bigoted asshole all the way around. A few of us became friends despite the fact that our respective groups were ignorant as hell about each other.

While I use both terms interchangeably, I prefer black because it makes more sense. Besides, white people, who chose to be called white, seem to be pretty comfortable with their catch-all term for Americans of various European ancestry. As for the term American, I was married to a former Marine from a military family who resented being called an American. I, like most black people, have mixed feelings. I’m proud to be an American but I’m not blind to our history in this country. America hasn’t exactly been a pleasure cruise for us former beasts of burden. But what do you think? What do you call yourselves? How do you feel about being “American?”

Or, discuss this as a starter:

Do Glitter and Chuckles make sense as a couple to you? I didn’t get it at first. Now I’m warming up to it. It’s hilarious to me now (obviously), and I hope Mariah has found the My Little Pony of Happiness she always desired after previous relationships (Tommy Mottola’s old ass, Derek Jeter, Eminem’s dysfunctional, hateful ass …) crashed and burned. But she’s a child at heart and he’s almost a child. But does it make sense to you? Did you always see Nick or Mariah with someone, ANYONE, different? Who would you have matched them up with? I thought she and my fair Wentworth Miller were “hawt” in “We Belong Together,” but they totally didn’t belong together. I want Wenty to either steal Paula Patton from Robin Thicke or wrap himself up in the Grey Fox of CNN, Anderson Cooper.

Your thoughts?


59 responses to “Open Thread: Are you black, American or African American OR Do Chuckles and Glitter Make Sense?”

  1. I live in the UK.I prefer black and always have done, precisely because it’s more inclusive. I like the fact that if you’re black you can have every culture under the sun, as much as I am myself an African, and proud of it. I like the fact that I’m connected to you and your president and many others because we all qualify as black.If I’m black and African, you are black and American, your PE is black and white, we are all black and something, that’s good too I think.Whilst I appreciate that some who are bi-racial or very light feel unblack, I think that everyone with a little bit of black should call ourselves black and eventually we’ll all be confused!Anyway I really enjoy your blog, keep snobbin’ black style!

  2. I never really concerned myself with the title. When referring to myself, I typically use black, but if someone calls me any of the other “approved” titles, I don’t correct. I teach my son that he is black.. even though he is going through a racially confused period right now.Regarding Mimi and Nick… I LOVE THEM! I get it. I’d marry Nick my dayum self. I hope they are happy and have a long and successful marriage.

  3. I refer to myself as black. I always have. For me, the term African-American does not accurately describe. But neither does black. We could go the Tiger Woods route and include every ethnicity in our description of ourselves. I’d rather keep it simple.

  4. While I have rolled my eyes at some of Mariah’s choices in men and fashions, I think she comes across as sweet natured and big hearted. I certainly wouldn’t begrudge her any of her ditziness or sparkley happiness.She might be loopy but she seems sane, right?

  5. I think that for most Black-Americans to deny their obvious African Heritage and how it has manifested itself in our culture today is hilarious. That’s a different post, though. I identify as Black because I’m Jamaican-American and my culture is not the same as an African American’s. It’s similar, but it’d be akin to calling an Irish-American white Polish-American just because they are both white. The label doesn’t fit.

  6. Yo soy black. I grew up in the 80s along with socially conscious rap and it is very hard to rhyme “african-american” with anything.Also, thank you for introducing me to Mariah 4.0 and her hapless boy sidekick. The cumulative nature of the shots you have been posting has finally worn through my bitter, hardened soul. Milk ‘n Cookies won me over.It’s like Mariah and Nick are some YouTube clip from Japan with no subtitles — I don’t know what the hell is happening and I feel confused and slightly ashamed for liking it.

  7. simply scott Avatar
    simply scott

    well, i’m not black or African-American, and i really hate all the “…-American” labels. i see them as divisive. i think American citizens need to spend a little more time being “Americans” and less time worrying about who’s getting what, who’s who, and how i’m different than you. we’re all different than each other, and it’s mattering less and less each day.

  8. I identify as black, sometimes black-American. Not every black person in America is African-American, and not every African-American is black. I also think the term African-American helps feed into ignorant people’s notion that Africa is a country, not a continent. Yes, we have an ugly history in this country, but like Snob said, most of us are so removed from our African ancestry, we don’t have any relatives that we know of where we can track what country they came from. My grandmother is Bahamian-American, and that branch came from mixed black-white-native ancestry….but that’s only one sliver of my ancestry that I happen to know.I do not identify with the term African-American…..it’s all socially constructed anyway, but I am black-American.As for Mimi and Nick…they have lasted far longer than I thought they would (I really thought it was a joke) so I give a slow hand clap for them.

  9. i am black. i am always fighting with a couple of friends about being called african american or black. most africans (that i know) that live in the us and have become citizens, resent the fact that black americans call themselves african american.just call me black or american.

  10. Chuckles and Glitter have grown on me, it was random at first but now they’ve lasted longer than most Hollywood relationships so I wish them happiness and sparkles.

  11. vulcan girl Avatar
    vulcan girl

    I smile when I see C and G because their pictures look like those high school pictures you took at Cedar Point and got made into that little keychain kaleidoscope thing.I say black, not African American. Not all black people are American, not all Africans are black. Charlize Theron and Theresa Heinz Kerry count as African American, too. I don’t actively think of myself as American unless I’m overseas, but that’s when it’s really obvious anyway.Every once in a while I’ll call a girlfriend Negress, though, because that word makes me laugh.

  12. Wenty and Anderson would make a cute couple – arts and intellect…Fierce!I don’t know – I never really assigned myself Black or African American and I generally say AA when referencing culture in general. I think we’re drifting toward Tiger’s point of view.Its a PC world kids.

  13. I’m black. My parents moved to America from the Caribbean in the 60s. We went back to the Islands all the time and my parents were/are very connected to their culture. I feel African-American excluded folks like Obama, my parents, Africans, etc. I get why Jessie pushed for it but like bohemian bookworm said Africa is not a country but a continent. I now live in Italy. I can’t tell you how many people, Italian and African asks me if I’m from Ghana or the Caribbean (usually they think I’m Jamaican). Once I start speaking they hear the accent and realize I am American. I think they’re thrown off by my natural. ha I have nothing to say about C and G’s latest photo.

  14. I’m an American, because I was born on American soil. I am of African descent as far as the color of my skin can tell me. However, my given Surname is Irish and “black” men in my family have had reddish/blond hair.Obama is more African-American than I am since his father was actually African.

  15. I prefer Black. I really can’t stand Mariah Carey so if she’s happy good for her. Wenty had put on a few pounds during this season of Prison Break – what’s up with that? As long as Amaury stays on the show I will be happy. I think we’ll see him with a man b4 a woman.

  16. I’m not American, so wouldn’t ever call myself African-American(and don’t think you guys should also)I’m British of Jamaican descent, I’m black

  17. bougiebroad Avatar
    bougiebroad

    I am regular old black and happy to be so. I use the term African American when talking about other black people to non blacks if that makes any sense. But other than that I say Black. My mother is an ex hippie and wore dashikis(sp?) and such for most of my childhood and we were the only ones I knew that celebrated Kwanzaa in the early 80’s so I had an appreciation growing up of an African heritage. And then I lived and worked Africa for a year and realized just how American I really am. So yes, I’m a regular old Black American. As for glitter and chuckles .. I am absolutely dying. Mimi is a beautiful 30+ woman who is stuck in the late 90’s a far as the miniskirts and short shorts go.. STOP IT… Their love fest is paining me to no end.. BTW.. is anyone else looking at their man/husband side eyed after seeing how Michele and Barack get on… those photos, interviews and public appearances are going to start more than one argument… (why don”t you look at me like that?…. and the likes)

  18. Anonymous Avatar

    It is all an issue of diversity and the fact that the Black populations are diverse and are culturally different. I identify as Black and I am African as well! I don’t suppose that I am culturally similar to a Black American as I like Congolese music! Eat food that is different (Rice, rice and more rice!)have family ties that are terribly complicated but I live in England and I have met people Black, Asian and White from all corners of the Globe and these experiences have had a transforming effect on me and I have to say sometimes I think that I have more in common with people of a similar class rather than people of a similar ethnic group and this has for me transcended my ethnicity (however defined). My view of these things is that they come as trends.

  19. Anonymous Avatar

    Well the relationship I kinda get but what’s up with the obsessive picture taking with kiddie amusement parks creatures. Are these two kids trying to reinvent their careers as Mouseketeers? Are they not invited to parties anymore where they could actually pose next to, you know, regular humans? What’s up with that?

  20. Black or African-American is fine with me, although I would prefer “Intergalactic Starchild” or “Citizen of the Universe” better. We as black people can make up all the rules we want, but truth is, if you have one ounce of discernable black blood in this country, you’re considered black. So you can take the Tiger Woods route, put on a baseball cap and baggy pants and you see if that gets you a cab at night in New York City. Peace always, my soul brothers and sisters.

  21. Oh, on Mariah, I wish I could cover her up and protect her. She seems so vulnerable. I hope she’s strong enough to avoid another breakdown.

  22. Anonymous Avatar

    It really, really bothers me to be referred to as black. My skin is not black, the darkest individual is complexion will never be black, so why should I be referred to something I am not because that was the awful label given to me. I refer to myself as African American – is that accurate – probably not, but it sure sounds and feels better than ‘black’ – my personal hang-ups I guess.As for Whack and Whacker aka Glitter and Chuckles – they disturb me just as much as being called black. Maybe it is the overload of pictures that are so unnatural, are they ever walking around holding hands just hanging out not on stand-by for a photo op? It’s like they are pushing “we are really, really, really…no really happy” down Americas throat. Go and stay away and work on you guys! Do I sound bitter…sorry. I must have a case of the Muhn-days.

  23. I think Mariah and Nick were sent here by evil overlords from space to decay or minds with sweet bizarre distraction, so they could take over our bodies once our minds become stupefied….”All your brain cells are belong to us.” Snob, you must be their agent on Earth. Don’t think I’m not on to you, cuz I am.

  24. I actually don’t mind being called by others either black or African-American. I call myself black because…well, I don’t really know why. Just do. Seems easier to me for some reason. And even with all the hell our ancestors went through (and what we have to go through daily) yes I am and call myself an American. They fought too damn hard for me to be able to say and type those words.I didn’t get Chuckles and Glitter at first. Still don’t. But every picture I see of them literally makes me LOL. I have no idea if that’s mean or crazy or what.

  25. Anonymous Avatar

    i don’t have a preference for either term; black or african american is okay with me. i love nick and mariah together; i hope they have a long and happy marriage and lots of beautiful children.

  26. Um, I’m Greer.

  27. Anonymous Avatar

    I identify as black. African-American just feel like the politically correct term to me.

  28. Dkan71, this is a drug-free blog zone, so if you need to get high, you should try the bong sites. Remember: Just say no. Just joking girlfriend. Peace always

  29. I’m an African who was born in America. I call myself black as well but I feel that African American defines my heritage clearly. Africa is a continent and I don’t think it should confuse people anymore than European American does. Black African is redundant. White people are not native to the continent anymore than generations of Malians are native to France. You might be able to trace a few generations there but eventually, you wind up in Africa, just as white people wind up in Europe. We can’t all use specific countries because we don’t all know what country we came from specifically but the evidence is all there, in our music, our food, our speech, our movements. For too long, black people have been uncomfortable with any association with Africa but it really doesn’t matter,African heritage is very hard to erase. I know that my ancestors came from the Senegal Gambia area and I know that I am not like a native Senegalese. I was born in America of African heritage and to me,the term African American sums that up clearly.

  30. the black independent Avatar
    the black independent

    Plain & simple: I'm black. When others refer to me w/ the PC term of "African-American", I correct them w/ "black". I'm many times removed from my African roots that I don't feel I can claim it. Besides, I like the way it rolls of the tongue. I know this sounds strange but it sounds like a strong and commanding word to me.And I am an American. Blacks in the previous generations have struggled, worked, and sacrificed too much for me to hold a grudge and disavow the title of "American". I'm already a part of the American society, culture, and economy. I've got no choice but to call myself an American.

  31. Hi Snob,To me Black is like Hispanic. It doesn’t tell one anything about the person or the culture they belong to. A Black person can be from anywhere as a Hispanic can be from anywhere. But when the term African American is used I know that this person is a descendent of slaves in the U.S.I would guess that most Irish Americans have never been to Ireland and most donโ€™t speak with a brogue or understand Gaelic, nonetheless they proudly identify as Irish Americans. The same can be said of many Mexican Americans and Asian Americans.So why do we think that we should just be Black? Is it because some Africans resent us; big deal.I’m African American because that tells you a bit about my history and my culture. It doesnโ€™t tell the whole story but being Black doesnโ€™t tell one anything and reduces me to being just the juxtaposition to White people.

  32. MissHellsing Avatar
    MissHellsing

    Their new name should be giggles and chuckles! I actually like them as a couple.

  33. Anonymous Avatar

    I’m Black and I called myself A.A. because I’ve always felt too far removed from the African culture. In fact, except for maybe one or two, a great deal of Africans I’ve had to deal with act like they don’t even LIKE Black Americans. My multi-racial children also call themselves Black, who happen to have a European father.

  34. since i won’t sit and naively say i should be called an “american”, i prefer the term “black” when refering to myself over african american…i just feel black is a more open term, plus, no disrespect, but i wasn’t born is africa, i was born is the usa as were my parents, grandparents and so on…ultimately my people came from somewhere in africa, but moving forward, i like “black”

  35. I am proud to be an American because this is where I was born, my parents, their parents and so on. American history is MY history. My vote is for ‘black’. Why you ask? Well for one it has fewer syllables. No just kidding. But seriously wherever I go: Europe, Caribbean, other US states when I see people that look like me I see ‘black’ people. I’m sure some of them are very attached to claiming their origins and that’s fine with me. I don’t need to know them to care or feel connected. “black” is universal.

  36. I go by black…and refer to others as black 90% of the time because it’s easy and because while I’m now an American citizen, I was born in Jamaica so I have an ethnic heritage and identity. As for the person who says African-American indicates that you’re the descendant of US slaves, I hadn’t heard it distinguished like that before. So, I guess under that definition, I couldn’t be African-American if I wanted to. So we would then need to talk about African-Americans and blacks as distinct groups to get a full sense of all the brown-skinned people in this country who happen to be children of the African Diaspora, but not necessarily the descendants of Africans enslaved in America.

  37. The Ms. Glitter/Cannon photos are killing me.I get a headache every time I see an image of these two together.Still wondering…what is she doing with that Clown. The "Black women & the race to the bottom" phenomenon is alive and well. But in her case, I think it’s being helped along with a few mental issues on her part.

  38. im a first generation American so I am perfectly fine identifying myself as a Nigerian-American, but I’ve grown up with folks who completely reject anything Africa, so black I am as well….

  39. I’m a 35 year old woman from the east coast, now living here in California. I’ve been black since I was born and don’t particularly buy in to the hyphen American syndrome many PC folks are putting out.Out here, I was recently corrected by a black woman who informed me that I was hyphen American. What kills me is when white people switch it up and use the hyphen American and I can tell quite plainly they’re only using it because they think I’d prefer it.I’ve traveled quite a bit and I think the more we get out of the U.S., the more we may realize just how fortunate we are to be American. My 2 cents!

  40. Andrea, I’m lucky because at this state hospital I’m at, I’m able to go on a furlough every other weekend and visit city parks. So I see a lot of stuff and meet interesting people and all that. And that keeps me from being prejudiced too. (just jokes) Peace always

  41. i call myself black, because my family *isn’t* african-american–my father was born in haiti and then immigrated to canada, where i was born. so both the “african” and the “american” are inaccurate!i think both do have a place, though. i think of african-american as a subset of black.

  42. What a coincidence. Been having a conversation about this very topic via e-mail with a few people over the past few days. I’m a natural-born U.S. citizen. I consider myself unabashedly Black. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Never really liked the term African-American for a few reasons.

  43. I agree with wriggles: black is more inclusive…My family is Jamaican, although I was born here :-(. And I on the other hand am not proud to be an American. I refused to do the pledge of allegiance in high school and I don’t sing those foolish American songs at games and events. Perhaps I’ll “go back to Africa.”But…when writing I use African American and Black interchangeably and I PREFER white people to address me in the PC term…HOLLA

  44. I’m African-American or Black. Both describe me, IMO. Don’t care how many African immigrants are offended by it…LOLas for Mimi….I dunno…this has lasted far longer than I thought it would. I will repeat though – I hope she has a pre-nup.

  45. As for AA v. black, I personally prefer black. One because I don't understand why we need to reinvent ourselves every 20 years (not that either isn't a far cry better than "colored" but still). And second because the fact that I am an American of African descent is not the same as being African-American. I realize that's not PC to say but it's already been said so I don't mind. My ties to Mother Africa aren't as strong as they could or should be perhaps, but it is what it is. I feel American. I understand (mostly) American values. I don't have that same instinctual tie to Africa.Technically, all Americans (except for Native Americans) are ***-American: Irish-American, French-American, English-American. Actually I guess the correct analogy would be a general European-American. But they don't have to "clarify" where there heritage descends from. Why should I? The answer to my heritage is pretty obvious….But on to an equally interesting discussion, I don't know what to make of Glitter & Chuckles. I liked Chuckles before he started dropping women like hot potatoes. And Glitter is certainly talented and just as certainly has some serious issues. The ridiculousness of these two seemed obvious and I assumed it would quickly go away, but much like Sarah Palin, ridiculousness apparently has staying power….And finally, as for Wentworth Miller, you clearly forgot a third option, which was that I get him all to myself for acts that I cannot describe in polite company….

  46. “BTW.. is anyone else looking at their man/husband side eyed after seeing how Michele and Barack get on… those photos, interviews and public appearances are going to start more than one argument… (why don”t you look at me like that?…. and the likes)”That’s the truth! I am definitely looking at my black american hubbie sideways with my black american arse!

  47. i identify myself as black because it is all inclusive. although i technically would be an african-american for real (my parents were born and raised in nigeria), i never took to the phrase. first off, africa is a continent, not a country, and that phrase implies that a bit. plus, black is simpler, and it sounds better.however, anytime i go to nigeria, i’m called an american because of where i was born and raised.btw, latinos are black, too-they just speak spanish (some). but that’s another discussion for another day.

  48. Whenever I have to fill out a form that asks for race I always put other. I am a light skinned AMERICAN woman with a complex background that I could only begin to explain. I prefer American, period. Isn’t that what the whole “melting pot” concept was about? President-elect Obama is the epitomy of that. It really got under my skin when the media started with that “he’s not American” crap. He is more American than anyone who ran with him and I am proud that he has several backgrounds. That’s who SHOULD be running this country. Someone who is the 3-d version of diversity. Don’t get me wrong, “black” people have endured much to get where we are today and I am appreciative and respectful of that, but don’t say I am not “really black” because of the light tone of my skin. I am American because of the African, Indian, German and whatever else that slave owner was that raped my female descendent.O and btw, Nick and Mariah? Love is love, let them be.

  49. I agree with ct & simply scott. Africans today in America separate themselves from Blacks. I go to school with alot of Africans they dont even converse with anyone who is not African. I find myself listening in on their convo and they avoid speaking english. At the same time as simply scott said we are to involved in each others differnces but I think it is in our nature as Americans to do these things because our nation is belt on the land of the free. There are so many different things around us we cant help it. I consider myself a Black woman. My history is mixed with alot of different cultures but my family has been Black Americans for too many generations to considered an African American.

  50. By the way I HATE CHUCKELS AND GLITTER. They look like fools to me. BUT thats is just MY opinion..

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