What’s In A (Really Ghetto) Name? A Lot of Foolishness (Unconventional Wisdom) (Guest Post)

Enough with the crazy names, already!

By C. Diane Thompson

I consider myself an open-minded person. As a retired chef, I’ve worked with and hired all kinds of people from all walks of life. I would hire Goth kids, alternative head bangers, gamers and aspiring rappers. As long as they could do the job, they were welcome to work in my kitchen.

However, one thing has always been in the back if my mind as I read some of those job applications: What’s with the names we are giving our kids? As an employer, I’ve had more than one occasion where I’ve had to ask how to spell someone’s name, only to be met with some sort of eyes rolling, or some facial expression denoting, “Can’t you spell?’’

More after the jump.

My mental response was, “Sorry, Skippy; I’m not down with the latest spelling of Dante/Dontay/Donta/Dawntae/Donte/D’Onte/Deontay, or however your mother chose to creatively moniker her offspring these days.”

This phenomenon has always perplexed me, but I just tried to accept it as a part of my culture. As a black woman in her late 40s, I just chalked it up and filed it in the “Some of the crazy shit we do” file in the back if my brain. You know the file, admit it; you have the exact same file in your head, too. This is the file you reference whenever you see one your brethren do or say something so crazy, that you go all slack-jawed after witnessing it. The file that makes you utter the mantra, “I love my people,” or “Your cousins are at it again,” or simply shake your head and utter, “Damn.”

A few weeks ago, I was at a bar having a cocktail with a good friend, and a white woman in her 30s introduced herself to us. Here is the exchange we had:

Woman in her 30s: “Hi, My name is Theresa.”

Me: “Hi, my name is Diane.”

Woman in her 30’s: “Wow, I’ve never met a black woman with that name before!”

Me: “Then YOU need to get out more!”

I have a pretty regular name. There were lots of girls named Diane or Diana when I grew up, so when did my name become unusual?

Then, this whole thing came to a head when I was looking at the Ebony Fashion Fair retrospective a few days ago. There was this fierce, black plus-sized model burning up the catwalk. She was absolutely amazing. Later on in the show, her name was highlighted as she commented on her status in the fashion industry. Her name? Phonical Washington.

Huh?

I tried to pronounce her name phonetically. Her name is similar to the word phonics, so I naturally assumed it was pronounced that way. Nope, it’s pronounced Pha-neesa. I would have never guessed that; especially since the irony of how her name is spelled is nothing like how it sounds (phonetically speaking, of course).

I wonder how many times she’s had to correct people on the correct pronunciation of her name.

As a kid in the 70s, members of my extended family and I were afro-sportin’, Dashiki-wearing, modern Blacks. We were no longer Negroes; we were simply Black people. And, Black was indeed beautiful. We changed our names to African ones to denote pride in our heritage, and we gave our children those names, too. Names like Donna, Kimberly, John and Mark went by the wayside as Naima, Aisha, Malik and Dante became popular. When our children were asked what their name meant, the kids could give you an answer.

You can’t necessarily say that now, can you?

The authors of Freakonomics wrote in their book that the exotic names our kids have are an indicator of their socioeconomic status. Their assertion is poor parents are more apt to give their kids distinctive names, while parents that are considered middle class give their kids mainstream names. The actress and comedienne Mo’Nique is a great example. Married twice, her first marriage produced one son, Shalon (there was her stepson, Mike Jr. from her then husband’s first marriage), while getting her standup act together. After she became famous (and wealthy), she got married again and gave birth to twins, Jonathan and David.

Of course, with names like Oprah, Condoleezza, Kobe and Barack floating around, my argument may be thin. But, these people’s achievements are so great that they seemed to transcend their names. Most of us aren’t that smart, or lucky.

So if you are expecting a child, take their futures into consideration. Give your children names that have strength and meaning, not something you saw on a sign, a drink at the club ( I once overheard a woman on a bus say proudly that her newborn girl’s middle name was Alize), or from the latest name they gave a zoo animal (In 2005, the National Zoo named their new panda Tai Shan; I wondered aloud how long it would take for some woman to tell her good, good, girlfriend about this hot name for her progeny).

Give your kid a name that exemplifies the best possible future we all want them to have.

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C. Diane Thompson is a former chef, blogger and regular reader of The Black Snob.

Agree with Thompson? Think she’s wrong? Comment below. And if you’re so inclined, you can write the counter-argument to Thompson’s manifesto against “exotic” names, and we’ll post it here on The Black Snob. This story is part of a series on interesting, unusual, funny and unconventional takes on issues. To see the full list of issues that will be covered, click here. To read past stories, click here.


57 responses to “What’s In A (Really Ghetto) Name? A Lot of Foolishness (Unconventional Wisdom) (Guest Post)”

  1. Leon X Avatar

    All that coming from a guy named "Finesse". I hope he has stone thrower’s insurance.

  2. Adeshola Blue Avatar
    Adeshola Blue

    I think that people should be able to name their children what they want. I may not like the names, but it wasn’t my choice. Too often we judge on the superficial, and quite frankly this is one of those issues. Then we have the audacity to punish children for the names their parents gave them. Not fair. We don’t ridicule the current crop of white celebrities that name their children stupid stuff. We just say they are hollywood. Why is hollywood okay and hollyhood not okay? (just playing devil’s advocate. My children have names that are easy to spell and gender neutral)

  3. Phonical is new one to me. Does it mean anything? Overall, I think that Black folks just like getting creative with names. Nothing more, nothing less. My great-great-grandmother’s name was Seamont….who knows where that originated. I’m sure other folks have older relatives with equally unusual names. I admit those extra apostrophes drive me crazy too. Personally, if I decide to have kids I would like to give them foreign names. I like Russian names for boys like Viktor, Vladimir, Piotr (pronounced "Peter") and Japanese names for girls like Kimiko or Misaki.

  4. All my kids will have gender neutral action verbs for names. I am thinking Dash, Bolt, Leap, Flash, and Bound.

  5. thelady Avatar
    thelady

    actually people do ridicule the names white celebrities give to their children, they had an entire special on VH1 making fun of celebrity baby names like Rocket and Apple.

  6. There won’t be a real problem with "Ghetto" names until names like Pilot Inspektor become the norm, though I think we may be on the way there. Pimp and Damoney are names that have already been used. I would not saddle my kid with a name like Pimp. The kid may turn out to be a square, and there would be too much pressure on him to learn, respect,underdig, and spit that game.

  7. Phoenical/Phaneesa had me rollin!

  8. OneChele Avatar
    OneChele

    As a Human Resources professional for the past 18 years, I can tell you that although names should NOT matter, they most definitely do. If I have a candidate with the name Jacqueneisha D’Arshay Jackson, I have to worry about the manager being predisposed one way or another. When presenting the resume, I generally shorten to J. D. Jackson so the response is more neutral. Yeah, yeah – Barack is in the White House and it’s 2009 but not everyone has embraced the "post-racial" philosophy.I’m not saying folks should suppress their "flavor" but don’t make it harder on your kids than it has to be. I have a friend named Ju’shon, brother has a DOUBLE PhD (literally a rocket scientist) but wasn’t getting interviews at a large aerospace company in Florida. Switched the name to Jay, took Kappa Alpha Psi off the resume and got interviewed and hired in four weeks.I’m just sayin’…. it is what it is out there.

  9. HeyU! Avatar

    Sometimes I think some names are plain ridiculous and a nuissance to the child. The worst offender I have seen is La-a pronounced Ladasha. Come on, that is just retarded. The moher of the child wanted to sue the school because a teacher kept mispronouncing the name. On the other hand people have the right to name their children whatever they want. Just because someone feels like a name is weird or ghetto doesn’t mean that name doesn’t have meaning. I have a unique name that my parents made up. My name has meaning and my parents are far from ghetto. You shouldn’t judge a book by its cover. It is annoying to have to correct people all the time, but I still love my name. My name is spelled just like it is pronounced and it is 3 simple syllables, so some of that is just ignorance on the part of others.

  10. khia213 Avatar
    khia213

    In my job, I see the names that children are giving their children. The names reflect no meaning and no connection with English as we know it. The parents get mad when you can’t pronounce a name with nine consonants and one vowel. They’re annoyed that you have never seen an accent mark in two places in one name. But they are particularly disturbed that you have the nerve to be unsettled by the fact that they have named their child ……let me do this phonically….She- Ta- Ed, but have spelled it – Shitehead. I don’t want to know about the fututre therapy bills for little Shit head. And I wish I could say I’ve only seen that name once. Sadly, it’s out there on at least two or three kids in my city.

  11. miss kate Avatar
    miss kate

    co-sign w/Leon. I also don’t get all the huffing, puffing, head-shaking and face-screwing about Kre8tif names. I have ordinary European names, and have no desire to give any kids I may have anything else, but I tend to think of such names as a way of expressing what Zora Neale Hurston called "the will to adorn."I was mostly exposed to this phenomenon up close in high school. I would watch girls plan out names for their soon-to-arrive kids, and they would string together seemingly random syllables, or add in or remove letters, for a variety of reasons: sometimes they were representative of different people who were important to them; sometimes they simply enjoyed the way they sounded together, or liked pronouncing them. They did not care what other people thought. Who’s to say that isn’t meaningful, just because it isn’t in a book somewhere? To some people, giving your kid something original *is* full of meaning. And I think the prejudice against such names in the workplace will eventually end. There are too many of these kids born in the 80s and 90s for it to seem weird–or for people to care–for much longer.

  12. LOL@ khia213, creativity or not, naming your child Shitehead is just plain wrong! I’ve also heard the lore of Shady Nasty, add the "upper comma" and you get Sha’Dynasty. And the infamous twins Lemon Jello and Orange Jello, pronounced Le-mon-gel-lo and Or-ron-gel-lo, named so because that was what the mother was served in the maternity ward. I have a made up name, I’m named after my father, with a little creativity on the end. For years I hated having to correct people’s pronunciation, but now I go mostly by my nickname so it isn’t that much of an issue. Except when I tell people my real name, they always look surprised.

  13. dukedraven Avatar
    dukedraven

    This post is quite funny. The sad thing about giving a child an unusual name is that it handicaps them in the working world. Surveys reveal that employers throw away applications with exotic, ethnic names. So if having a job isn’t really important to you, keep picking those strange sounding monikers for your children.

  14. khia213 Avatar
    khia213

    I’m personally fond of the name Merconia. If I’m not mistaken, the mother named it after something she saw on her medical form after having the baby. Merconia is the first thing that comes out of a newborn. It’s baby poop. So attractive.

  15. LPatrice Avatar
    LPatrice

    I have no problem with the name Barack – because it means something. I have no problem with names that actually mean something or have meaning regardless of their language of origin. I do have a problem with people naming their kids after expensive cars, alcohol, and whatever strikes their fancy. I don’t blame the kids because obviously they have no say in it, but I do think that what people choose to name their offspring tells you a lot about what type of person they are. From my own personal experience, I can say that most of the kids I meet with "interesting" names like: SirTommy, Prezident, Hennesy, Alize, Shatasia, etc tend to have very young, uneducated, ignorant parents.

  16. wow, i guess i better stick with naming my future unborn kids "Tom", "Dick", "Harry", and "Jane". It seems like anything else that remotely sounds un-American will doom them to a jobless life of failure. Oh, and forget unusual family names ’cause that’s in the same category. And I guess I better not take into consideration that I am pretty successful even though I have an unusual name. Oh, and I will also ignore the fact that do see folks with other "ethnic" origins in successful positions. Let’s stay in the box, it’s safer that way.

  17. MsKitty Avatar
    MsKitty

    @ OneChele and dukedraven,Sad but true about names being linked to job prospects. At my last job, the management had no qualms about sending Tyreke’s or Shaniqua’s resume straight to the circular file. I’m sure the day will come where what we name our kids won’t impact on their careers, but it ain’t here yet.As for my own family, one of my cousins and his wife took the Soul Train scramble board approach in naming their girls. I have the pronunciations of the names down, but please don’t ask me to spell them (lol).

  18. dkan71 Avatar

    I’m sorry, but you can’t name your kid Laronsheika Lexus Alize Williams, have no economic power and then cry when somebody sizes them up as ghetto and then tosses their resume on the reject pile. When you get some economic power and status, name your children whatever the hell you damn please. Until then, be creative, but not ridiculous, or be willing and prepared to have them work harder, be exceptional and make no excuses for taking a stand to exercise your right to be creative.

  19. A friend of mine told me about when he was a seminarian working in rural South Carolina. He visited a black family out in the sticks and they proudly showed him their little girl "Charmin — you know, like the toilet tissue — because she’s so squeezable!" LOL (no, I did not make that up)

  20. I can’t clap to this, sorry. While I’m not naive enough to ignore the fact that many people (of all colors and backgrounds) consider certain names to be "good" and others to be "bad", I cannot enable what I feel is wrong by jumping on the bandwagon. How come the so-called "good" names are ones with European or even Hebrew roots? While you or I might not understand or like where a parent gets their inspiration from for a name, I don’t see why that must impact the value of the child. If my mother named me something completely wild, am I not qualified? Am I not a good person? Am I not able to "transcend" like the author suggests Condoleeza or Barack have done? And so what if a name were an indicator of one’s socioeconomic status? Because I grew up poor, that shouldn’t impact my prospects if I work hard and deserve to be hired/promoted/respected. I think this is yet another way that people fall into the majority way of thinking and feeling like since it’s mainstream it must be right. If we don’t start changing our minds, then things will stay the same. It’s silly that folks would rather change their child’s name to fit a racist/classist system instead of crying out against said system! true, it’s an uphill battle to change minds and change such deep seeded ignorance, but that’s no reason to fall in line.Oh and I don’t see why Tai Shan would be a bad name just because it’s the name of a zoo animal. It’s obviously a name from another culture. There are bears and penguins named Susie but I don’t hear any outcry from the author about that.

  21. steph T Avatar
    steph T

    honestly, I prefer the creative names to what my peeps give out — naming your baby Jesus or Angelica practically guarantees he or she is going to be a menace. And I actually had classmates (twins) named Precious Promise and Special Angel.And don’t even get me started on redneck names — You named your kid Tucker? or Trig?Meaning or no, I’d give my kids names that won’t be potentially embarrassing.

  22. dukedraven Avatar
    dukedraven

    They are always exceptions to the rule, and thank God for that. Hurray for Condolezza and Barack! For most of us mere mortals, we don’t have that luxury. All I’m saying is that if you feel a compulsion to be "creative," use it as an exotic middle name for the child’s sake.

  23. greer Avatar

    Well I like my name. It’s been unique for over 40 years now. Never physically met another person with it. That said, making up names is IMO just insane. I knew a girl named Aquanet. Like the hairspray. Or when I was in the hospital with kid #1 (26 yrs ago) and the mother in the other bed was naming her kid Ian – but spelled it Eeayan. Or my stepdaughter naming her son Devan, and pronouncing it Devon (and no, she was white). I knew a white chick from SLC named Charmin, it always made me giggle to myself. Obviously I’m in favor of the unusual, but Black folks need to get a grip on the made up, outlandish crap we saddle our children with. NO, mainstream society cannot and should not have to apologize for not being able to pronounce Shitehead, Sha’Dynasty or some other crap that floated YOUR boat that day and you foisted on your kid. It IS ghetto, just as it’s white trailer trash-ish to name your kid Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Devan or a state. Yes, times are changing and eventually the 30 variations of Dante will be acceptable but until then take it slow and try to remember the CHILD has to live with it, not YOU.

  24. Sure, naming your child isn’t just about whether or not they can get a job or whether or not they fit into a racist/classist society. But you can’t knock people for taking that into account. Someone can tell by seeing my name in print that I am probably a black woman. That’s fine with me. I like my name. And I can get jobs. My name is pronounced the way it is spelled. There are no miscellaneous capitalizations or punctuation marks in my name. And I am thankful for that. My parents put a lot of thought into my name – they didn’t want something that I would hate for the rest of my life, or something that I couldn’t "go anywhere" with.I would really regret saddling my children with a name that causes them to have to constantly correct people. I would hate for their name to be mispronounced at graduation. I would hate for their name to constantly be misspelled. I’m not saying that I don’t like creativity, but I am saying that when your creativity becomes a burden on your child, then you are a selfish parent, period, ’cause you had nine months to figure something out, and you decided in that span of time to give no regard to the experience your child would have on this earth with that name. All you could think about was your own agenda. The child has to live with the name at least until they’re old enough to change it – why not try to make it so that they don’t have to?Now I agree that it is wrong for people to judge children by their names,. but I’m not willing to sacrifice my child on the altar of "you-people-in-society-need-to-learn-how-not-to-unfairly-judge-people-so-deal-with-my-kid’s-ridiculous-name." That makes no sense. My child will not be a martyr for any such cause – my duty is first to my child’s well being, and then to make my world better. I can do that by teaching my child to respect others and by doing the same myself. My children will have names that they can carry with pride, that don’t make them cringe when a new teacher reads the attendance roll for the first time, and that literate people can pronounce and spell properly, no matter what language they may be in. And no, I don’t mean Apple, Seven, Puma, Rumer or the like. Damn foolishness.

  25. Diana Barry Blythe Avatar
    Diana Barry Blythe

    @DianeI’m not against "unique" names, as long as they have meaning, and as long as the kid is aware that their name has meaning. Like the labels we give to everything else, a person’s name should describe him, inspire him or be an homage to someone of good character.Many years ago my mom was teaching a class on this subject and she told the kids to find out what your name means, if you don’t already know. And if your name doesn’t mean anything, come up with a meaning that describes what you want to be. Just because your name started out with no meaning it doesn’t mean you can’t give it meaning.Maybe one reason those famous people you mentioned seemed to have "overcome" adversity is because they knew their names have meaning.Oprah – A midwife misspelled Orpah on the birth certificate. Orpah was one of Naomi’s daughters-in-law in the Book of Ruth. Orpah means "kind"Condoleezza – her musically-inclined parents derived it from the Italian term for "with sweetness" – con dolcezzaKobe – was named after a style of beef that has its origins in a city in Japan after his parents saw "Kobe Beef" on a menu. It’s not the most momentous way to name a kid, but the word has meaning and is not just a jumble of consonants. "Kobe" is derived from a word that means "Ikuta Shrine Supporters."Barack – a not uncommon Middle Eastern name, like "Barry" over here. You’ll even find it in the Bible (minus the "C") in Judges chapter 4. Barak means "thunderbolt" or "lightning."By the way, Diane, nice name. 🙂

  26. Sandra77 Avatar
    Sandra77

    Sometimes these names just serve to label a kid as lower socio-economic, and if they don’t happen to have other things working for them (great education, for example), it can have a very real effect on their life prospects. This is a competitive world, and a resume can easily get tossed by an employer without worrying about what s/he may be giving up. I once received a resume for a legal secretarial position from someone named "Satanya" – yes, Satan with a "ya" on the end. And I remember reading a letter to the editor in Ebony magazine years ago from a woman named "Brothella" – what was her mother thinking?! Ignorance is not always bliss.

  27. Sabrina Avatar
    Sabrina

    This is issue is really dead. You know exactly what’s going on 99.9999% of the time when you come across a resume or job application with the name Infiniti Jackson on it. My nephew’s mother’s name is Quanda and she is every bit of the dirt bag, ghetto queen, Ann Coulter will have us believe single mother’s are. I will be damned if my smart intelligent innocent nephew of 3 1/2 is dragged down her bullshit ghetto life path. She doesn’t want better thanks to the stellar upbringing her Section 8 mother gave her. There’s no reasoning with her. Candy for breakfast no problem. Sits on her ass all day and can’t teach the boy a letter, a number or the color red. But luckily my family has a different legacy and will stop it. I have yet to unleash my wrath on my brother who chose to impregnant this banshee. I’m going to wait it out. He’s stressed enough picking up after her wake…Now I know not all women name Delqueeta, LaShanna and Alize Escalade are not bad mothers but you know what the hell I’m getting at…

  28. Lady M Avatar

    The comedian was funny. Vaseline pronounced Vas-lynne cracked me up. But it’s oh-so-true as Sabrina pointed out. Truly educated parents are not going to name their daughter Tae’Shawnda. There is no way in hell. Too many negative connotations. At this point, it’s creativity my ass. If you really want an original name look up some old English/ African/ Chinese/ Japanese/ whatever names, the kinds that have gone out of "style" per se, or are now uncommon e.g. Telford, Courtland, or Stanley.

  29. rikyrah Avatar
    rikyrah

    I’ve met only one other Black person with my name, and I’m over 30. Jewish people recognize my name immediately. On a resume, people think I’m a Jew that married an Irishman. So, when my Black self shows up, they don’t know what to think…LOL

  30. Monica Avatar

    @kiajdI hear you girl but you I may be alone in that line of thinking. It’s open season and everybody feels free to ridicule black folk. What’s next? Laughing at face wide noses.

  31. So how traditional is traditional enough? I have an African name that is neither Swahili or Arabic – is that too nontraditional for the degrees and experience to make a difference? Or should I go back to the shame of my elementary and middle school days where my teachers opted to use my middle name because my first name was too difficult to pronounce (even though it is pronounced phonetically)?I’ve watched people assume that names are "made up" even though they are Biblical names – just not commonly used names. Is that acceptable enough or will only names that can be found on the Social Security lists of most commonly used names do?Frankly, if my qualifications are not worth reviewing because you can’t handle my name, I am probably not a good fit for your organization anyway.

  32. CandyCane Girl Avatar
    CandyCane Girl

    I don’t have a problem with creative, ethnic, or international names, but I do have a problem with names that completely spit in the face of human language. Letters correspond to sounds, Phonical does not even resemble the sound Pha-neesa. There’s a difference between being creative and just making up nonsense.

  33. marci Avatar

    i must admit that i laughed out loud when looking through my nephew’s friend list on facebook… not only at made up names but their nick names… mdot this, sdot that – names that are part e-mail addresses…. this issue will not go away anytime soon…

  34. trying to teach Avatar
    trying to teach

    I can’t lie–teachers do get together and laugh at some children’s names(although this does not affect how the student is graded). I think that some of the names are pretty ridiculous and then there are now requests to spell some names in all lower case or both upper case and lower case–seemingly at random, LA-Ta-da’ was a name that I have seen for a girl, for example. I think that the indignation that the children and the parents have when we cannot pronounce names is one of the problems. I think that if you are going to name creatively and spell creatively, you need to be more patient with the rest of us.

  35. Nicole Avatar

    this post bothered me for some reason when i first read it and i couldn’t figure out why. i mean it’s an old complaint that has some merit. it can be a little difficult to figure out how to spell these names and as a teacher i sometimes have a hard time pronouncing them. BUT, and this is the big but, the names that i can’t always pronounce and that we might call "ghetto" are not always held by black people. white people give their kids some interesting names as well. i just hate how black people, and the rest of society, assumes that we’re the only ones doing this kind of stuff. i sort of understand why white people do (whatever) but i just hate how we take that on to ourselves. why do we have to act like everything we do is pathological. maybe there is a meaning to Phonical that we don’t know, something important to that model and her family. i’m rambling at this point, but hopefully someone understands where i was trying to go. essentially, just get over it, if you can’t pronounce or spell the name, ask, and if you don’t like it don’t name your child that.

  36. British African Snob Avatar
    British African Snob

    I guess it is the same with foreign names, people cannot pronounce or understand and therefore want to ‘christian’ you with something they can say.I am from Cameroon and my parents gave me and my siblings all traditional/tribal names. And it is a similar issue (although not to the scale in the article or the comments!)People always mispelled my name or wondered why I didn’t have a Christian/English name. I was bothered about it when I was much younger but quickly embraced it and it’s uniqueness.My name means "What are they taking from me?" (I know – weird. Still ask my mother what she was thinking!) but I HEART MY NAME.When I moved to the UK, all kinds of hell broke lose. People found it difficult to pronounce my name, despite that the fact that, as a 7 lettered name, it is evenly distributed with vowels, which should make it (theoreotically) easy to pronounce. same, with my siblings.Although it is foreign, if you say it a few times, you’ll get used to it! Just like I got used to names and spellings like Shaquillus, Carlus, Sha-nea (I’ guessing a take on Sinead), and the infamous Shanaynay types!

  37. Karyn Avatar

    @khia213Slightly off topic. Shithead must be in every city under the sun, because I constantly hear people throwing out that name in these conversations. A couple of others my mom has told me (teacher on the east side of Cleveland):Asholay – spelled AssholeLemonjelloOranjelloI’ve gotten used to names that are off the beaten path and think some of them are really beautiful, but names like the first two listed are disturbing on so many levels.

  38. BrokeandCopa Avatar
    BrokeandCopa

    You raise a very interesting point "Nicole" . We never seem to question the names that white people give their children because we assume it has a deeper meaning. Could it have been mom or dad was just a little drunk and said F it ? For example I knew a white girl from college named "Aquanet" . Now yes that spray does smell good but Aquanet ? Come on now that’s not right ! Funny enough no one ever questioned that but always asked "Aquanet" is that French or something ???? WTF

  39. "I tried to pronounce her name phonetically. Her name is similar to the word phonics, so I naturally assumed it was pronounced that way. Nope, it’s pronounced Pha-neesa. I would have never guessed that; especially since the irony of how her name is spelled is nothing like how it sounds (phonetically speaking, of course)."This argument makes me think of the reluctance on the part of many Americans to learn to pronounce foreign words correctly. So what it’s not the way you learned to pronounce "phonic" in grade school?! Her name is pronounced Pha-nessa so that’s the way you need to say it! It seems to me there’s a hint of insecurity behind all of this. Case and point, Finesse felt the need to blurt out the fact that he attended the University of Miami. Granted he’s telling jokes but when you think about it, when you mispronounce or misspell a person’s name, you have to stop for a minute and say to yourself "Damn, am I slow?" Then you quickly project your insecurities onto that person like "Nah..this the muthaf*cka with the screwed up name! I got my G.E.D.""I wonder how many times she’s had to correct people on the correct pronunciation of her name."I have a very unique name that sounds nothing like the way it’s spelled. My mother debated the name with her college classmates at the time and they all came to the conclusion that I would never be shy because I would always have to correct others. And she was right! I am very outgoing because I had to quickly learn not to be ashamed when the substitute teacher mispronounced my name and all the other children laughed. As I got older, I would stand up and announce my name just as the teacher made the inevitable pause of uncertainty.My name makes a wonderful conversation piece and I wouldn’t trade it for the world.

  40. vulcangirl Avatar
    vulcangirl

    As the owner of an uncommon (but real) name, it’s annoying when I have to correct the pronounciation, because it sounds like it could be one of many other names. It gets tiring having to spell it 20 times a day (part of the job), and I dreaded the first day of school because teachers couldn’t say it. Hell, they still can’t say it. I’m old and used to it now; it’s my name.That said. I work in a position that has me coming across all kinds of misspelled, phonetically impossible names. Just dumb "is this really someone’s name?" names. We can’t even enter some of them properly because the system kicks out the random punctuation marks. Some upthread already said it, but parents should really think about what they’re naming their kids. Use the Supreme Court Justice test, not Boggle.

  41. IMO, there is nothing wrong with these unusual names. While these names are not my style (my son has a 1st and middle name that are Hebrew-I liked their meaning) I don’t begrudge anyone who chooses them. We black folks of the diaspora are just about the only folks on the planet who cannot point to our specific point of origin. We don’t know where we come from. Why make fun of people who choose to reject names of European origin?–that’s not who they are. All they are doing is creating their own culture. We created jazz, rock, hip hop, different styles of dress and speech; why can’t we create names as well? I think sometimes people forget that ALL names, from the beginning of time til present day are MADE UP! Some have become common, some have fallen out of favor, and new ones get made up.

  42. I swear; if White women started naming their kids these names suddenly it would become okay. It really doesn’t matter if your name is Jane or Janiqua becasue a person or a system that is prone to discriminate isn’t going to give Jane a break just becasue her name is Jane. It always surprises me at the ways and reasons we find to look down on each other. What’s next; Black people should change their addresses on resumes so the White people in HR won’t know where they live and discriminate becasue of that? Jeez.

  43. LaJane not my real name Avatar
    LaJane not my real name

    [sigh]We are not talking about rare or foreign (to wit, non-Anglo) names.We are talking about random assortments of consonants and vowels. Unnecessary punctuation and prefixes. Brand names.What I have encountered are folks who have "Chanta" type names but get mad because you mispronounce it.YES. Rumer, Scout, Apple, Trig are fucktarded names. However, they won’t have to submit resumes will they? It ain’t right, but that’s how it is. Let your kid get in the door so THEY can be open to other names.FTR I have a very rare, but real name. I almost always have to spell/pronounce it.My question, if you have Ta’shandiqua type name…will you give your offspring something similar?

  44. ExurbanMom Avatar
    ExurbanMom

    Sorry to disagree with some of you, but we DO make fun of the stupid names some Hollywood white celebrities give their kids. C’mon, "Apple"? "Moon Unit"? "Suri"? Phoenix? Cannon? Rumer? Yikes.

  45. khrish Avatar

    PCH your names sound like you were "palling around" with Sarah Palin

  46. khrish Avatar

    It is sometimes a real problem asking how to pronouce some names when you teach. I find the good way to do it is to let each child stand and introduce themselves. We did have one child whose mother, I don’t know what was on her mind….maybe just to have a name that caused you to have to speak to her. Once you learned to pronouce the student’s name, then you had to learn how to spell it. The child’s name had NO VOWELS? Now, why would you do that? I’ll work really hard to pronouce someone’s name because to me a name is important; but had that child not been there, I would have had no where to go to even attempt to pronouce that name.

  47. I just want to thank everyone for their comments on my essay. This subject has always fascinated me, and I felt the overwhelming need to speak on it. I guess I wanted to ultimately say this: You are the bearer of your name, so wear it well. I liked the reader whose classmates came up with meanings for their names. If your name means something to you, that’s great. I’m talking about the persons who give no thought as how their children will be known for the rest of their lives. I am aware that white people are naming their children now. That phenomenon wasn’t prevalent when I was working, so I can’t speak to that (although I’ve met white women named Keisha and Tamika recently, so…), but I’m aware that this trend, along with sagging jeans and the other negative parts of our culture is migrating to white people. I’m just afraid that this has already become part of what is attributed as a major part of black culture.Thanks so much for all of your comments. I’m humbled that my post here on Black Snob prompted so many responses. Snob, Thank you for posting my essay. I’m sorry I didn’t respond to you sooner, but suffice it to say circumstances were out of my control. I’m grateful for the opportunity, and hope one day I’ll be able to contribute another piece.Love, Peace and Chicken Grease,C. Diane ThompsonThe Culinary Chick

  48. Two examples of white folks having the same problem:RIch prep schoolers (Shanley? Spivey? or when they do that whole "Bunny" or "Dickie" crap for chicks names like its very classy or something? I mean Paris Hilton? That sounds like a rapper or a porn stars daughter). I know these three daughters of a rich car dealer who were named Tiffany, Krystal and Dresden, I mean cummon.andFricking Celtic names (Aisling is pronounced Ash-ling, plus thats one hell of an ugly name, Sine – Chanay? I mean cummon)I think the biggest issue isnt about a specific cultures creative name combos but rather the inability to read them correctly. We can read Kobe, Barack and Condi’s names just fine, its the ones that arent spelled ANYTHING like how they are pronounced that drive me nuts.However, my names Dorothea and you wouldnt BELIEVE the creative ways that gets said, esp by black folks "Doreeethia" happens more often than not. I’m amazed.

  49. Okay here we go. My sister Loretta (who is white) just got back from New Orleans where she teaches in Reserve, LA. She wants to know if you pronounce this name:J-ahIt is the name of one of her students.

  50. spiderlgs Avatar
    spiderlgs

    Yeah we want to embrace creativity and we want the system to change to one where nobody is judged by anything, except the content of their character but we aren’t there yet. So I think its a travesty when I have a student named Quinterrius Marvelous and when we do a "My Name" project his parents can’t even explain where they got they name. They just made it up. And his essay goes on to say how much he hates his name because it’s ghetto. Then we want our children to be treated fairly but we name them: Hennessy, Chivas Regal, Tequila and Martell (this is one family) or Te’Angel, or Alpachino (first name) or Jadakiss.. and these are all taken off official school forms. Soooooo.. No. I won’t embrace that. My name is Swahili and I have to pronounce it and repronounce it all day long.. buuuut at least its not an alcohol, a rapper or my mom’s favorite actor. Cause when people are too busy laughing at your name and taking it around to their coworkers to see that Alize or Sugar Paris really IS at the top of a resume.. are they going to take your seriously when they read the rest? we already know. And Ving Rhames DOES need to be ashamed for naming his daughter ReignBeau.Ooh yes, and I met a little girl named Dazziyah (pronounced Desire) right.

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